07-27-04, LearnTexasHoldem:

Pot Limit Set of Tens and The WSOP

Question: I've recently been playing $25 PL online. I got tired of the single tabel tournament grind. Well....I have done very well playing two table, pretty tight, taking a few bad beats but having fun. Just wanted your opinion on a hand I lost. 5 players in and I have $64 (largest stack). I get 10 10. I raise to pot amount($2.75) and four call. Flop comes 10d Qc Kc. Player bets into me $2. I raise to $5. My worries are the straight and flush draws of couse. Player after me raises to $10 and the next two players go all in for their remaining money which was about $15. Now the oringinal better goes all in for $25. I know I'm beat but with a board pair or the 10 I know I have it. This has turned into a $110 pot and If I raise it would be even more as I know the others would call. A raise is out of the question in my book and I have my mouse pointer in the fold button. I decided with the pot odds I have to call. I don't get the boat and no club shows. The guy after me was wired with AJ. Did I make the right play or should I have layed it down.?The good news is I get AA on next hand and the guy who won the huge pot has KK. We re-raise till I'm all in for $28. He doesn't catch and I recoup some loss. I left after that hand. Blood pressure was getting too high....hahaha.

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One more question, I have an ongoing argument with a friend. He claims the 2004 WSOP is not over. That Greg Raymer and his $5 million win was only a preliminary? Another guy swears to me that this Vogel guy won it. I watched him win a game for 300-400 thousand that was part of the WSOP but not the main event. I thought it went as follows. The event last 6-7 days. It starts with preliminary tournaments. Winners from these get a bracelet and go on to play. It just continues breaking down unitl there is a winner. Can you please clarify? These guys are driving me nuts. Thanks again for your time. I countinue to enjoy your website. Have you ever thought of expanding on it? With the growing popularity of Hold-em, you should. Thanks, Daniel

Answer: If you don't lose a lot when you have a set, you haven't played it correctly. You didn't do anything wrong here. You got multi-way action on your set of tens. If your hand wasn't already the best it had 7 outs on the turn to fill up to a full house or quads and then 10 outs on the river if it didn't improve on the turn. That's a big draw. One thing to not overlook in cash games where everyone is going all-in is to recognize if you have a straggler with a lot of chips hanging around. Let's say for example the guy who went all-in originally had you beat with the AJ.

There are two other hands you can beat though. If you keep putting more money in the pot against the other guys, you'll win some back from the side pot. Maybe one of them had KQ or AK and you could milk them for some money. So a reraise here isn't out the question as long as you figure that the guy you are putting more money in the pot with has a weaker hand then you. I do this all the time in limit games -- I may not have the all-in player beat but I'm sure I have the others beat so I keep betting.

As for the WSOP question, Greg Raymer did win the 2004 main event for his $5 mill. The WSOP has a number of different events throughout the week and it concludes with the 10k buy-in no limit holdem one. They have all kinds of games before that though -- smaller no limit, limit games, Omaha, Stud, all kinds of poker. I didn't follow it this year so I couldn't tell you if Greg won more then the main event but it is possible -- you can look online and find out. It's common for those guys to play in more then one game. All the games give out bracelets but the most coveted one is of course the $10k buy-in.

As for expanding this site, yes I would like to but my time is limited. What did you have in mind? I'm always open to suggestions.

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